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Elections
Topic Started: May 26 2011, 01:11 PM (601 Views)
tsrill	May 26 2011, 01:11 PM Post #1
Unregistered	It was pointed out to me that elections are supposed to be the first weekend of june. This is pretty much next week. Considering the current momentum and considering it's in our own laws, I suggest that we go through with that. Considering that Mavenu hasn't been around much lately, I suggest to appoint new/additional election commisioners in next couple of days. (I could do it, but I won't be around so that wouldn't be very helpful. I'm looking at some of you other oldies )
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king j	May 26 2011, 03:55 PM Post #2
Return of the King Posts: 1,759 Group: Members Member #445 Joined: Dec 21 2003	i'll look in to it mate, can we have some suggestions or volulenteers.



Going Postal	May 26 2011, 06:30 PM Post #3
n00bie Posts: 19 Group: Members Member #3,994 Joined: May 24 2011	5 days till June. I don't think elections would be wise yet. Not after what just happened. Is anyone even running? No real time for debates and the region is pretty unstable at the moment, unless some of the oldies are running.



HEM	May 26 2011, 09:50 PM Post #4
Technical Difficulties, please stand by Posts: 700 Group: Members Member #3,765 Joined: Jul 28 2010	I intend to run for re-election.



Daxter	May 27 2011, 08:05 AM Post #5
Associate Justice Posts: 332 Group: Members Member #3,833 Joined: Dec 11 2010	I respectfully disagree with Going Postal. On the other hand, I agree with Tsrill. I think that a fresh new government would be exactly what we need to keep the momentum of activity going on the Forum (I myself being a direct product of it!). It would give newcomers and returners a direct say on who will govern them instead of them coming and seeing people in office of which they have absolutely no connection with. In fact, I think that elections are necessary. On the same note, I think we would have to decide what will be the posts that are available to run for. More precisely, we need to decide whether the Ministry of Defense should be revived after it had been disbanded and the duty of defense dispersed amongst the other Cabinet members. I mean this is the greatest respect, but I think many can agree with me by saying: look where that brought us. So I would say that having all of the current offices up, plus the reinstatement of the Ministry of Defense. I originally thought to challenge HEM for the post of the Minister of Foreign Affairs, but then I saw all the work we need to do for security for the region in the potential new Ministry of Defense (that, and seeing how HEM is good at his job), I would run for the post of Minister of Defense.



king j	May 27 2011, 07:08 PM Post #6
Return of the King Posts: 1,759 Group: Members Member #445 Joined: Dec 21 2003	i intend to rerun as justice minister, but i have also had experiance in defence amd security which was my former job long ago. so either is good for me.



Topid	May 27 2011, 07:14 PM Post #7
Thermonuclear Device Hunter Posts: 637 Group: Members Member #3,729 Joined: Jun 7 2010	looks at calendar Not seeing how even if there was support for adding the Security Minister position there would be time to do it before the date elections are scheduled for. Just a thought.



Daytime to Night	May 28 2011, 05:23 AM Post #8
Thermonuclear Device Hunter Posts: 662 Group: Members Member #3,340 Joined: Jun 7 2008	We could just do it, theres a thought..



htz3	May 28 2011, 05:31 PM Post #9
Former Delegate Member of COG Posts: 7,608 Group: Members Member #297 Joined: Oct 19 2003	Do we have a fast process to amend the Charter or constitution or whatever we called it? If we don't then any major change has to go through the whole process or can we avoid that?



Belschaft	May 28 2011, 07:31 PM Post #10
Thermonuclear Device Hunter Posts: 977 Group: Cabinet Member #4,004 Joined: May 27 2011	I'd support a moratorium on elections until we've had a full discussion regarding reform. Until then, let the current Ministers hold their positions.



Daytime to Night	May 28 2011, 07:38 PM Post #11
Thermonuclear Device Hunter Posts: 662 Group: Members Member #3,340 Joined: Jun 7 2008	How ridiculous and counter-productive. In real life politics anything unanimously agreed can be done so without a recorded vote or bureaucratically following procedure and yet in a game we cant simply do what we like because we have to be pedantic and limit ourselves. Either we change or we remain stuck in our ways, there is a serious need for a culture change in this region and not simply a quick election to make people happy...



Belschaft	May 28 2011, 08:11 PM Post #12
Thermonuclear Device Hunter Posts: 977 Group: Cabinet Member #4,004 Joined: May 27 2011	Agreed. I'm new to TSP, but I do see the problems people have mentioned. More needs to be done to retain newly created nations and to increase activity. Similarly, after the incident there is a need to fix the regions foreign affairs. That will require reforms, but I don't think any that would damage the regions unique character. However, it makes sense to me to agree on what needs to be done among those people who are active, communicate these ideas to the region at large for their approval/involvement, and enact them before elections. The alternative is snap elections under the existing system to put in an interim government that can work on the reforms. The three priorities either way should be - 1. Retention of new nations, activity and recruitment (why can't a feeder recruit in other feeders and sinkers?) 2. Foreign affairs - they need fixing. There's a lot of hostility to the current regime out there, including among those who should be TSP's natural allies 3. Defence and security - we can't let what Dev did happen again any time soon. I think we need to re-introduce a MoD to take some pressure of the delegate, and work on getting some alliances/treaties signed up with those out there who would/did help out. That will require fixing the foreign affairs first though, and proving to people that TSP has listened. I've also got another, but likely to be controversial, idea here. Whatever happens, I think Bellz should pull rank and make some executive decisions. The key is fixing what is broken now, while there is impetus for it.



LadyRebels	May 28 2011, 10:55 PM Post #13
I Somlenly Swear I am Up To No Good.... Posts: 929 Group: Members Member #4,000 Joined: May 25 2011	Belschaft May 28 2011, 08:11 PM Agreed. I'm new to TSP, but I do see the problems people have mentioned. More needs to be done to retain newly created nations and to increase activity. Similarly, after the incident there is a need to fix the regions foreign affairs. That will require reforms, but I don't think any that would damage the regions unique character. However, it makes sense to me to agree on what needs to be done among those people who are active, communicate these ideas to the region at large for their approval/involvement, and enact them before elections. The alternative is snap elections under the existing system to put in an interim government that can work on the reforms. The three priorities either way should be - 1. Retention of new nations, activity and recruitment (why can't a feeder recruit in other feeders and sinkers?) 2. Foreign affairs - they need fixing. There's a lot of hostility to the current regime out there, including among those who should be TSP's natural allies 3. Defence and security - we can't let what Dev did happen again any time soon. I think we need to re-introduce a MoD to take some pressure of the delegate, and work on getting some alliances/treaties signed up with those out there who would/did help out. That will require fixing the foreign affairs first though, and proving to people that TSP has listened. I've also got another, but likely to be controversial, idea here. Whatever happens, I think Bellz should pull rank and make some executive decisions. The key is fixing what is broken now, while there is impetus for it. I would love to hear your idea...honestly we can not move forward until we hear what others are afraid to say. Honestly I already posted in another thread that I think we should allow a vote on the Delegate....let things flow in that direction. The influence in the Region would certainly safeguard it, and with the ban/loss of influence thing then really where is the danger in letting new people become Delegate? Afraid that they will remove the link to the boards....duh there are enough of us to keep the address on the RMB at any given time of day or night. Suppressing, we can still see what is being said, just need to keep the word out on the boards. We need to move fast here folks and pull it out of the fire before we loose any more allies/friends of TSP.



Daxter	May 30 2011, 10:25 AM Post #14
Associate Justice Posts: 332 Group: Members Member #3,833 Joined: Dec 11 2010	I think we somewhat strayed from the original question asked by the OP: nominations of volunteers to be Elections Commissioner, without which we cannot have elections in the first place. I understand there is some debate on whether to have an election in the first place, but the law is the law. I understand we are just coming out of an exceptional time for the SP, but what are laws if we do not oblige to them? I don't have the intention to volunteer for Elections Commissioner because I wish to run for office, but I think it would be wise to have someone step up who will do his/her job with utmost respect. There is nothing more corrupt than having a rigged election or a biased Commissioner. Any volunteers/nominations?



LadyRebels	May 30 2011, 11:14 AM Post #15
I Somlenly Swear I am Up To No Good.... Posts: 929 Group: Members Member #4,000 Joined: May 25 2011	As we have already talked about in PM Daxter, I will happily step up if it is needed. But this comes only on the condition that everyone understands that I will not be casting any votes in these Elections because I am to new to this modern day TSP to truly make a sound judgment on things.



Daxter	May 30 2011, 01:27 PM Post #16
Associate Justice Posts: 332 Group: Members Member #3,833 Joined: Dec 11 2010	As LR mentioned before, I asked her to volunteer for the job. I recognize that she has previously had issues with the SP, however, as others have noticed and said themselves, �she has shown so much dedication to the region you can hardly go past it�. If this poses any problems what so ever to her possible candidacy, I think that that hesitation should be immediately dismissed. It is my personal policy that everyone deserves a second chance, and LR has been given one. I think that this is the perfect opportunity to put that new found trust to its just valour. I second LR. (Big rant just to make sure that there is no discrimination! )



Todd McCloud	May 30 2011, 02:16 PM Post #17
Has tea in the Sahara far too often. Posts: 1,573 Group: Admin Member #3,203 Joined: Jan 10 2008	I'd be happy to help by doing an EC (I'll do whatever I can best help with), but then we'd need a speaker of the assembly too, which I believe someone else should do and be given a shot to add their own personal flair.



Daxter	May 30 2011, 03:59 PM Post #18
Associate Justice Posts: 332 Group: Members Member #3,833 Joined: Dec 11 2010	I strongly suggest we have an elected Speaker. Why? Because his or her voice will be the loudest in the Assembly. His or her term, however, could be undetermined or slightly longer than any other elected official, since the post is more that of a referee and overseer than anything else (Ok, its kind of a PR job, but that makes it awesome). We would elect a new Speaker when he or she resigns, or when the term is up. In other words, I think this should be decided after the EC and during the elections. I loathe 'appointed' positions of power.



Topid	May 30 2011, 04:07 PM Post #19
Thermonuclear Device Hunter Posts: 637 Group: Members Member #3,729 Joined: Jun 7 2010	Daxter May 30 2011, 03:59 PM I strongly suggest we have an elected Speaker. Why? Because his or her voice will be the loudest in the Assembly. His or her term, however, could be undetermined or slightly longer than any other elected official, since the post is more that of a referee and overseer than anything else (Ok, its kind of a PR job, but that makes it awesome). We would elect a new Speaker when he or she resigns, or when the term is up. In other words, I think this should be decided after the EC and during the elections. I loathe 'appointed' positions of power. We have a speaker, or 'Chair of the Assembly'. As of now, Todd is elected to that position, but that position is also scheduled for election this coming Saturday.



Daxter	May 30 2011, 04:16 PM Post #20
Associate Justice Posts: 332 Group: Members Member #3,833 Joined: Dec 11 2010	Well that makes more sense. Tod, I am sure that, with the present level of activity on the forums, we will have no trouble finding a replacement if you so wish to resign. That is the beauty of the present day situation. While I back LR for the position of EC, I think that you would be excellent for the job. I really think we have all the pieces of the puzzle and that now it�s just a matter of putting them together. Should we proceed to a thread and/or vote where people can clearly state their candidacy for EC and decided once and for all (not to mention cleanly) there?



htz3	May 30 2011, 04:46 PM Post #21
Former Delegate Member of COG Posts: 7,608 Group: Members Member #297 Joined: Oct 19 2003	So we are going to dump the charter? I'm not passing judgement just asking a question.



Daxter	May 30 2011, 05:46 PM Post #22
Associate Justice Posts: 332 Group: Members Member #3,833 Joined: Dec 11 2010	Why would we? To my understanding, we would pass a bill to amend the charter to add the ministry. And like HEM said regarding the Delegate Elections, we could add the changes there into one big bill if everyone agrees, we only need to see the yay's and nay's. Is that what you meant in regards to the charter?



Todd McCloud	May 30 2011, 06:32 PM Post #23
Has tea in the Sahara far too often. Posts: 1,573 Group: Admin Member #3,203 Joined: Jan 10 2008	Daxter May 30 2011, 04:16 PM Well that makes more sense. Tod, I am sure that, with the present level of activity on the forums, we will have no trouble finding a replacement if you so wish to resign. That is the beauty of the present day situation. While I back LR for the position of EC, I think that you would be excellent for the job. I really think we have all the pieces of the puzzle and that now it�s just a matter of putting them together. Should we proceed to a thread and/or vote where people can clearly state their candidacy for EC and decided once and for all (not to mention cleanly) there? Indeed. I would like to see what a new person can do with it. I served that role for two terms, and to keep holding onto it would make me a hypocrite, lol. It's time to get a new guy in there. I'll do the EC, along with whoever else would like to do it (though I'd say we don't need more than three).



htz3	May 30 2011, 10:51 PM Post #24
Former Delegate Member of COG Posts: 7,608 Group: Members Member #297 Joined: Oct 19 2003	Daxter May 30 2011, 06:46 PM Why would we? To my understanding, we would pass a bill to amend the charter to add the ministry. And like HEM said regarding the Delegate Elections, we could add the changes there into one big bill if everyone agrees, we only need to see the yay's and nay's. Is that what you meant in regards to the charter? Yeah that pretty much answers what I wanted to know it has been ages since I went through it. Thank you



Daxter	May 31 2011, 09:46 PM Post #25
Associate Justice Posts: 332 Group: Members Member #3,833 Joined: Dec 11 2010	Any time, htz3! Any other concerns or objections that I can try and address? I might as well since I already started...



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